GEO, University reach tentative agreement; strike suspended

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Updated November 17th, 2009 - 11:35 AM
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The Strike Committee of the Graduate Employees' Organization voted unanimously to suspend their strike at a general membership meeting Tuesday evening.

According to a GEO press release, all 450 members present recommended the organization accept a contract agreement. Teaching assistants will be back in class tomorrow, and a coordinating committee will meet Wednesday to determine a timeline for a contract ratification vote.

The GEO and University bargaining teams reached a tentative contract agreement Tuesday during the second day of the GEO’s strike over tuition waiver security.

In the three year contract, tuition waivers will not be reduced for graduate and teaching assistants who have qualifying assistantships, make progress toward graduation in the program they started in and are in good academic standing, said Robin Kaler, University spokeswoman, in a press release. The contract is retroactive to August 2009.

“We explained what we do, and it’s in writing in a side note on the contract,” Kaler said. “We certainly are happy, and we value the work they do.”

On Saturday, the bargaining teams agreed to increased minimum stipends for graduates with 50 percent appointments, who work 20 hours a week for 9 months a calendar year. That means that graduates will receive $13,840 in the first year of the contract, $14,250 in the second year and $14,820 in the third year.

At the meeting, they also agreed to increased student health insurance fee subsidies. Graduates will receive a 65 percent subsidy in the first year of the contract, 75 percent in the second year and 75 percent in the third year.

In a University press release, Interim Provost and Chancellor Robert Easter said the contract agreement is a best-case scenario in light of the University’s budget situation.

“We feel this tentative agreement represents the best possible contract given the financial constraints we face,” he said.

According to a GEO press release from Peter Campbell, the group’s communications officer, the agreement achieved protection for tuition waivers as well as increased health care premiums and higher minimum salaries for graduate students. It said the GEO “forced the administration to drop regressive contract proposals” that included furloughs and other items, though Campbell added that Tuesday’s agreement contained significant compromises from the group’s original proposal.

Kerry Pimblott, the lead negotiator for the GEO, also said the organization made some concessions, but added that she is confident that tuition waivers will be secure.

“The language basically says there will be no change to the ongoing tuition waiver policy,” she said. “If violated, we can grieve it.”

A ratification vote to formally accept the contract will be held later in the week, Campbell said. Approval of the contract would end the current round of negotiations, pending approval from the University's Board of Trustees.

“If it’s ratified, the material conditions of graduate students will improve,” Campbell said.

He said that the result of the strike and negotiations is “unquestionably a win for the GEO,” but added that he is happy about the possibility of going back to classes soon.

“We’re here for education,” he said. “We’re passionate about it.”

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That strike was pointless. YEA BOYYYYY.

Clearly, idiot, the strike

Clearly, idiot, the strike was not pointless. Without tuition waivers, TAs will not be able to afford graduate school. Without TAs, let's see this school function. You're a wonderful person.

I'm Sorry Lori

I think I'm starting to agree more with Lori. I feel that I have let down my students, by not giving them the education they deserve. I knew what I was going into by coming back to graduate school. It is not the money that I strive for by getting my doctorate. I want to teach these students, and by striking I believe I have failed at becoming the person I had hoped to be. I saw two of my students, that I had been friendly to in the past, and when they saw me on the quad, they gave be a look of disappointment that I never wish to see again. I'm not planning on being a TA forever, I don't need a luxurious salary and now because of striking I have lost faith from my students. Thanks for the pressure GEO.

This is the most moronic and

This is the most moronic and obviously fake thing I've seen in a long time (OK...maybe since the interim provost's faculty MASSMAIL). I hope all of you "How dare you interrupt my education?" students get equally indignant when the campus "unofficially" interrupts a day of scheduled classes for drinking and vomiting.

We Just Thought You'd Know Better

I typically do get indignant, right up until that glorious XX:50 where everything goes from work to play in a heartbeat. It's that particular separation and understanding that separates the men from the boys.

The rude and obnoxious interruptions of noise were, are, and will remain uncalled for, as I expect people of such high education to know better and act accordingly, lest their education be that poor or they honestly do not know better and should be treated as children for all intents and purposes.

you make your own choices

I'm sorry your students looked at you with disdain because you chose to march outside for your rights.

Actually: No I'm not. Do you really care they looked disappointed in you? Did they know why you were there? They were still disappointed? How much did they really respect or think about you in the first place before you "inconvenienced" them.

Don't blame the GEO - who pressured you? No one pressured me. No one had to be out there on the line unless they wanted to be.

The only pressure I felt was Provost Easter's massmails that spread misinformation and intimidation to me as a student and employee of the university.

Clearly, not from a TA. If

Clearly, not from a TA. If you were, you'd know that no one was getting a "luxurious salary." Instead, only the least paid in the unit are getting a raise of 3% a year (cost of living) while the rest of the wages are frozen for three years. That was settled on Saturday. We were on the line over tuition waivers.

Poor babies

"the least paid in the unit are getting a raise of 3% a year (cost of living)"

While all other University employees (including those that work 40+ hours a week, 12 months a year) get nothing? That seems fair... Not only that, but we have the ever-increasing risk of furlough days. Tightening the budget just makes that closer to reality. Furlough days are essentially a pay cut for hard working employees because the people at the top and at the state are not responsible stewards of the money they are in charge of. Taking it out on the little guys is not going to make anything better, but the real employees have just had to take it and make things better for the campus, its students, and our coworkers.

Disrupting campus and having a whining fit does not help anybody. Grow up and realize that there are some undergrad students that are also working real hard to make ends meet while taking classes. Give them the education they're working so hard for.

There are many other unions

There are many other unions on campus. No, "the real employees" (whatever that means) do not "have to just take it." Organize. Fight the cuts. We'll be standing behind you in solidarity.

Strikes are not "whining," they are standing up for our rights. I recommend you stand up for yours.

nice try, Lori

Pretending to be one of us is even worse than calling us all idiots. The campus has a great counseling center. Check it out!

I Guess Trees Do Make A Sound

Welcome to the internet, where anonymity is a pseudonym away, as you have so wonderfully displayed with your own guise of identity. For all we know, you've been posting under another name - perhaps even this one - but no one cares because, in the end, you're still a moron regardless of what anyone tells you. Idiocy does not rely on outside observation to be true.

Not pretending to me anyone you idiot

I think that TA is trying to be sarcastic you idiot... again this is why I call you people idiots. Mr. PhD, go get a refund for your BS and MS. I have typically better things to do than pose as some greedy idiot TA. I thought you people are so busy with teaching and you're own coursework and research? Seems like many of you have a lot of time given these comments. Proves again you people are liars and want pity.

I thought these comments were monitored for hateful language

What's up DI? Is this not hateful enough for you?

former TA

I did my undergrad at UIUC and then 4 years in grad school. The strike's been interesting to follow.

Truth is, as an undergrad I had some great TA instructors and some real bogus ones. I'd say I had about the same luck with my profs, and I double majored so I feel I had a good sampling from more than just one department. All in all, the education offered by either group was pretty comparable.

As a TA, I noticed a couple of things. Some of us were good (I got 4.7 ratings and above every semester on student evals), and others were terrible. The interesting thing is, I knew exactly what I was getting into when I went to grad school. The salary and benefits were clearly outlined before I accepted my position. It was my choice to accept the terms.

I got a master's, got to spend a year living abroad for free through exchange with my department, and started a second master's. I got tired of being poor so I left grad school for a real job. All in all, I don't regret having been there or leaving. I was able to live on the grad stipend and support my wife and myself by living frugally. I was perfectly happy, just poor. But I knew that going into it. If I'd have had a child I would not have made the choice to live on the salary offered to me by the department because I would have known that it wouldn't have been sufficient. In fact, that's part of why I got a real job - because I wanted to start living a different style of life.

As for the whole business about 'providing education' and whether or not the humanities are worth the money spent on them, I've got mixed feelings. The reality is that the majority of students in my classes made it very clear that " C's get degrees" - they essentially had no desire to really learn much. On the other hand, some of them really did care, and even those that didn't I hope had broadened their understanding of the material by the end of the semester. I must say though, even as a grad student I wanted to scream "crook!" at some of the professors when I found out what they were getting research grants to write about. I mean, some of the topics were so obscure that I you could see the other professors yawning during their presentations at meetings. I believe knowledge is good for the sake of knowledge, but I listened to and read some research that was splitting hairs about topics people had been writing on for over 400 years. Nothing new was being contributed.

So, in the end, it's all crazy. And for the record, had I been on campus, I probably wouldn't have gone on strike. I come from a union family, but I understood my status as very different from my father who built combines and often went on strike. In my mind, he was a worker. I was working, but had other options and understood that being a grad student was a luxury problem.

Pointless

It seems that this whole strike nonsense was just pointless. The GEO secured practically nothing by striking. True, they won quite a bit by negotiating: a 3% or so raise for each year of the contract, a guarantee not to be furloughed (though they voluntarily just took a two-day furlough by striking), an increase in health care, and parental leave after childbirth/adoption, but this was all agreed to before the strike. The only thing the actual strike accomplished was a clarification of a policy. I know that I will be promptly excoriated by a number of posters on here telling me how vapid my arguments are, how I must totally hate grad assistants and students, how the GEO won such a great victory over the evil powers that be and generally "stuck it to the man", but it just seems that they wanted to strike just to strike.
Since there really is no dispassionate observer to give objective facts, there is no true way of knowing just what the University's position or intention was for the tuition waivers, but it would seem illogical that the University would eliminate tuition waivers for out-of-state graduate students, or change it to in-state tuition. This would be counterproductive to the University's goal of attracting the best and brightest. Also, I fail to understand how - if the issue with the tuition waivers was only related to out-of-state waivers and the in-state tuition waivers were guaranteed as stated in reports - the GEO came up with the claim that only super-rich students would be able to go to grad school here. If the out-of-state waivers were indeed the sticking point, how does that affect Illinois residents who wish to go to grad school here? Would not the proper argument be that, had the out-of-state waivers not been secured, only Illinois residents and rich out-of-state students would be able to attend UI?
So it would appear that hundreds or over a thousand people stood outside in the rain and cold for two days, potentially getting ill, for a relatively minor gain, as the economics of the contract had already been agreed upon. As a University employee (a little fish Civil Service worker, not anyone with any real power or pull) who works in a building on the Quad, I can say that the strike was mildly annoying from a noise aspect, as it was intended, but wasn't a major inconvenience. I cannot speak from the student aspect, and I don't pretend to, but it would seem that life still went on: some classes were probably canceled, some moved to other locations, some sections, combined, etc, but life generally went on.
Again, I don't hate the GEO or grad assistants, nor do I really have an axe to grind in this fight, just my humble opinion on what I saw occur. I'll now prepare myself to be torn to shreds by the objectors telling me how wrong I am.
Oh, one last thing. I heard today from a picketer that they were told by the UI or the police that they were not allowed to have umbrellas, as they could be construed as weapons. Is this true, and who exactly told the picketers this? I'm just wondering, as this sounds to me like an extreme overreaction and I wonder why no one has brought it up yet. It's not like they were going beat people with umbrellas, or make secret agent guns and poison ball shooters out of their umbrellas.

"The GEO secured practically

"The GEO secured practically nothing by striking. True, they won quite a bit by negotiating: a 3% or so raise for each year of the contract, a guarantee not to be furloughed (though they voluntarily just took a two-day furlough by striking), an increase in health care, and parental leave after childbirth/adoption, but this was all agreed to before the strike."

Before the strike, but only after the intent to strike vote. And most of it after the strike authorization vote. And that historic tuition waiver thing only after the actual strike (just ask the 100 Chemistry TAs that got their waivers dropped midyear how meaningless waivers are.)

See, if we could have gotten all that stuff just through negotiations, then couldn't we have finished all this several months ago? No, only the pressure to strike actually gets you anything around here.

Something to keep in mind is

Something to keep in mind is that the reason that liberal arts grad students are paid very little is because their 'research' doesn't bring in funding, and generally they teach as part time TAs. Part-time TAs = part time salary.

I'm not sure why they seem to expect to receive pay for being students. Where is the money going to come from? If your answer is 'from acting as TA's', then as soon as you are full time TAs, then you can expect a living wage.

Go do something that generates profit; then you can start to expect a living wage. In an ideal world, liberal arts grad students would be paid a decent amount, but no one is providing this funding because they don't benefit society in any way other then general enrichment of knowledge.
This is also why liberal arts grad students can't do anything with their degree other than teach. These areas of study are interesting, but they don't benefit humanity in any way other than general enrichment.

It's disgusting that, for

It's disgusting that, for you, "enrichment" for the world essentially means profit. It means you have no idea what it means to get an education. It's not about getting money, it's about affecting the world in a positive way, making a difference in others' lives. Research at the highest level can do exactly this, regardless of whether it's in the liberal arts or science and engineering. I say this as a biomedical engineer not from Illinois - everything plays into how this world functions, not whether your favorite stock has jumped 2%.

Undergraduate education is so hugely flawed if it manages to pump out people with thinking systems like yours.

"liberal arts grad students

"liberal arts grad students would be paid a decent amount, but no one is providing this funding because they don't benefit society in any way other then general enrichment of knowledge."

Wow. You're right. We should let market value determine hierarchies of importance. Maybe I should move from graduate studies in musicology into something a little more lucrative. The world needs less "general enrichment" anyways.

Seriously?

Something that generates profit... like teaching undergrads

The typical TA salary is paid by the tuition dollars of only 5 students. Do you know anyone who teaches only 5 students? Hmm, neither do I. Wonder where all that money is going?

What a stupid statement.

What a stupid statement. What organization (business, school, etc) pays full face value to employees for the 'revenue' they bring in...? A business exec saves their company 10 million dollars... they may get a bonus, but they don't get 10 millions dollars. How naive are you. You're being employed as market rate salary, as is the business exec. Not sure what you think you are so valuable you get profit for "more than 5 students".

Right, because every student

Right, because every student is taught by only one TA, and the University has absolutely nothing else it has to spend money on, including professors, utilities, services, etc.

Something else to keep in mind is...

The fact that life isn't strictly numbers and production, supply and demand, how-much-can-I-makes and what-does-it-lead-tos. Respect, though not a tangible or quantitative value, still exists. The liberal arts, though not "productive," are the only things left in the educational system that expand one's "general knowledge," and in fact, seem to be the only subjects that perpetuate what one should normally conceive as "humanity." I use the term humanity in this instance not as a projection of the asinine ideals of our materialistic culture, but rather as the foundational knowledge that can create human beings that function beyond the surface, a potentially moral and introspective knowledge that can't be found elsewhere. I guess you're right in that there is no "value" to this from a goal-oriented perspective, since there is no end to a human's intrinsic value, but to say that the TAs who teach these subjects don't deserve a living wage is ridiculous. Beyond the numbers, there are real people doing the job that the rest of "humanity" has decided to ignore. You might say that someone should be able to do these internalized jobs on their own, but look at the people you know; how many of your own friends and family live a superficial existence devoid of this introspection that I speak of, and how many would benefit from a catalyst such as the "humanities?" I understand that economic motives are important to our country, but when you think about it, should they?

Gasbags

Both sides. This was a giant farce. Yeah, okay, both sides declare victory, admin gets to say we stayed within financial constraints, GEO gets to say we were successful in the struggle to throw off the oppressive yoke of serfdom, etc., but why on earth could you not agree to this sooner?

This is not an earth-shattering deal. Negotiations are negotiations, but a months-long catfight culminating in this agreement is plain immature.

The GEO presented its

The GEO presented its proposal in April, the University in August. Nuff said.

We need a break!

Man, I do hope they don't reach an agreement any time soon. This strike thingy has just started, it is giving us poor students a free period or two, and things have yet to turn really exciting.

I am really holding my breath. Go GEO go! Don't even think about agreeing to any 'tentative' agreement!

GEO is a dishonest negotiator

For months the GEO has been whining that they need a 20 percent raise to feed themselves, and now they're going to settle for 3 percent and call it a "victory"? I hope you realize how many credibility points you just flushed down the toilet. Now every time the GEO utters a demand we know that it's almost 700 percent more than you really need. This strategy is acceptable if you're selling a used car but not if you're holding hostage the educational mission of this campus. I wonder how much you even needed the three percent, frankly. I don't exactly see ribs showing on the TAs. This, along with your 11th hour demand for tuition waiver protection (as if "possibilities" are worth striking over) and your decision to strike without three quarters of your members casting a vote, just shows that GEO leadership was intent on striking from the very start no matter what happened. Well congratulations, you just showed 40,000 students what a real labor struggle looks like. Unfortunately for you the result is a giant step backward for unions.

Hey tardball, 20 percent

Hey tardball, 20 percent raise on the minimum is not a 20 percent raise across the board. Also, its called bargaining. You should probably consider taking more classes before you graduate.

dishonest

The GEO did what all negotiating parties do (including the administration, which went into this saying it had no money and could pay for nothing more than what they had always paid); they began with substantial demands and tried to come closest to the demands they felt were most important. For example, rather than give all grad student TAs a percentage raise, they secured raises for the lowest paid workers. Your own rhetorical stance indicates a certain amount of excess—no one held anyone or anything hostage; anyone who wished to enter any building on campus and work or study there was welcome to do so. I find it hard to refute the argument that TAs getting paid what the University itself estimates what it will cost the to live here is probably good for them, and good for the undergraduate they teach. I assume you'd rather be taught by a grad student who is spending his or her extra time studying the material and preparing to teach rather than mowing lawns waiting tables (for the record, I know grad students who do both). Finally, this thing about 25% of the GEO voting is a canard—an actual majority of eligible American voters hasn't voted in any election for at least a hundred years, and the proportion of eligible GEO members who voted to strike is quite comparable.

Darling, you should know that

Darling, you should know that tuition waivers were not an 11th hour demand, which you could verify by doing a quick search of news coverage from the last seven months.

Furthermore, over half of our membership cast votes in the strike authorization - we have roughly 1350 members (out of 2700 *eligible* members) and of those 800 voted. That means well over half the MEMBERSHIP voted to authorize a strike.

We also did not ask for a 20% raise - we asked that the LOWEST PAID workers make *at least* a living wage as set by the Office of Student Financial Aid. A living wage is not a raise, it's an economic right.

And yes, we did indeed show this campus what a labor struggle looks like. Thanks for noticing!

Love
Caroline

From the "other half" of the GEO's membership

I would also like to point out to "Darling" that the non-participation of under half of the GEO's membership in the strike authorization vote does *not* mean that those GEO members opposed the strike. I am fortunate enough to be on fellowship this year, so while I am a member of the GEO and I have been a TA and GA in the past, I chose not to vote on the strike authorization because I did not feel that I had the right to tell my working colleagues what to do. Once they had made that decision for themselves, I supported the strike and joined the picket lines to help protect the tuition waivers that we, as essential instructors and employees of this university, have traditionally received. Given the length of PhD programs and the yearly variations in graduate students' funding packages, I highly doubt that I am the only GEO member who refrained from voting for the strike authorization but supported the strike.

Elana

Economic right? So I can work

Economic right? So I can work ~15 hours a week doing anything and I am entitled to $14,000 per year?

Even more...

Yes, it should be an economic right. And even more if you are an international student and that wage is your only permitted source of money.

Yeeeeeeaaaahhhh!

So, Peter Campbell did not confirm the tentative agreement at the beginning of the article, but confirmed it before the end of the article? Oh, whatever, I'm SOOOO HAPPPYYYY WE WON!!!!!

What a Load of S&%^

Well I believe that both the University of Illinois Administrators and the GEO are at fault. Administrators should not have been sending massmails of half truths to the student body and the trustees should COMPLETELY remove Herman and White from the payroll. The GEO is at fault for striking. Why bring undergrad students into the fight? Frankly, I do not support the GEO. Every TA I have ever had on campus has stunk. I learned way more from reading textbooks and looking for material online. The GEO needs to realize that they are GRAD STUDENTS. They are not in the real world yet. Their complaining is really ticking me off considering a large segment of the population is unemployed and getting evicted from their homes. I feel bad when the maintenance staff's contract comes up for UIUC. Those people who really need the raises because they are not in school and have a family will most likely face furloughs, layoffs, and other forms of wage garnishment. Of course if this happens you will not hear a peep from the GEO that it is wrong and the most needy of the UIUC employees will be punished. I am so tired of how selfish the majority of society now is. It is all ME, ME, ME, ME. Well grad students, enjoy living in your protective bubble here on campus. Only once you enter the real world will you realize that being a student and TA at UIUC was one of the easiest parts of your life. I have put in 300 job applications and have not gotten hired anywhere yet. The ME attitude and greed is what is killing the United States.

Thanks for setting us straight Mike

And for also perpetuating that "ME, ME, ME" attitude you (not so) eloquently described earlier. Truth is, most grad students have real work experience. I for one taught in Harlem for 4 years before deciding to go back and resume my education. So, please, spare me the "wait until the real world gets you" argument. Maybe you should revise your job app, might be a better use of time instead of getting an ulcer and the runs over all the hate you're dishing out.

Do you know just how many

Do you know just how many grad students have families with young children? We are not undergrads sponging off of our parents. Graduate employees remain the lowest paid UIUC employees and if the administration had managed to get its way you would see an exodus of graduate students from this university.

Yeah

Yeah, how awful of TA's to fight not to make U-of-I the only Big Ten university that doesn't secure tuition waivers to its assistants. It's a shame. That would have made a fantastic publicity.

I also agree that we should all find the information we need online, like through comments left by people like Mike on newspaper blogs and stuff. Create a "Google department" and a "Wikipedia department" where undergrads in big computer rooms would just surf the net to educate themselves. That's already what they do in their classes, anyway (and the occasional poker game online, of course, the economic situation is hitting them hard, too, they need some cash money, poor fellows), and that would save their parents lots of money.

And, indeed, how can TA's complain about the risk of earning zero dollars after paying tuition when so many people have lost their house after taking loans they could not afford? Let's all blame the economic situation on educators and their greedy attitude. They're totally responsible, not the poor Wall Street brokers.

"The maintenance workers"

"The maintenance workers" have a union, and a contract. We supported them during their contract strike last year, and will support them in the future. The GEO's fight against regressive policies strengthens other workers on campus. It doesn't harm them. Workers' interests are united, and workers are not so easily divided.

"The GEO is holding a general

"The GEO is holding a general member meeting Tuesday, Nov. 14 at 5:30 p.m."

That date does not exist.

Hope the Greedy TAs are Happy

Hope you greedy, sorry excuses for instructors (yes, you people are awful "teachers"), TAs are happy now, but I'm sure next year you'll start crying again. Also next years incoming freshman can thank you TAs for the higher tuition hike this will cause and rest of us undergrads will pay the price from the university cutting our resources (which most of us PAY FOR, unlike you idiots) in order to accommodate you're requests. GREAT JOB TAs!!! I also hope your greed wears off sometime in the future (Though, I assume many of you will be the next Bernie Madoff) and decide to donate back to the school which you are currently fleecing.

"which most of us PAY FOR, unlike you idiots"

Now, the question is: how did we get there?
Oh yeah, that's right, we paid tuition as undergrads, just like you do.

Oh, and I hope you enjoy ARC... I paid for that through special fees a couple of years ago. You know what? Maybe you shouldn't enjoy it. Maybe this should become a grad-only building, since you didn't spend a penny on its construction. I'm sure your simple-minded logic will agree with that, right?

again, you're a idiot

What you paid as a undergrad has nothing to do with what you do now you belligerent idiot. How about the thousands who also paid and never returned to grad school at U of Illinois?

Inappropriate

Seriously DI, what's up? This post and many others by "Lori" should qualify as hateful language.

"What you paid as a undergrad

"What you paid as a undergrad has nothing to do with what you do now"

Oh... so instructors are paid by... the money genie? And the money I spent as undergrad has been relocated to... top administration officials? (Oh no, wait, this is actually partly true)

"How about the thousands who also paid and never returned to grad school at U of Illinois?"

True, I think they should get a full refund. And then, we can start paying instructors with squirrels.

Take a chill/reality pill, Lori (preferably both).

idiot

So say you buy some 2010 BMW and of course some of that money you paid will go back to help develop the next generation BMW, does that mean you're entitled to a free BMW in 2012? I bet you're one of those grad students who couldn't land a job after your undergrad years (given you're an idiot) hence back for grad school.

Lori, If you're unhappy, take

Lori,

If you're unhappy, take your money and go somewhere else. Clearly you must not like the quality of your education, which derives part from graduate students and part from professors, most of whom were graduate students at institutions comparable to UIUC.

I hear that ISU's a decent school, maybe you should apply there? Leave the rest of us idiot TAs and (by extension) idiot profs to rot here. Thanks!

I agree with Lori on this

Most freshman don't know how extensively University of Illinois uses graduate instructors, until they get here. Most large state schools rarely have more than 7% of their undergraduate courses taught by graduate instructors, yet Illinois is almost at 25%, which is pathetic for a school which claims to be world class, but that is a whole different story. I have had friends who went to Purdue and Michigan and never had anything less than a faculty member for all their classes (also might be a reason why Michigan overall is ranked significantly higher than Illinois and why Purdue is rapidly catching up).

When representatives from Illinois admissions made a recruiting trip to my high school they did paint a picture that Illinois is where faculty and undergraduates work hand in hand and that graduate instructors are rarely used. They had Power Point presentations displaying pictures of professors holding class outside with 10 students, a professor wearing white lab coat surrounded by 5 students (all of whom were smiling and wearing white lab coats), a student getting one-on-one help from a professor etc... we all can laugh at that now, since that isn't the reality for most undergraduate students here.

This reality of Illinois can be upsetting to many (as in Lori's case); but can't blame her for going here and expecting a high quality education, this is what most of us were promised and sadly for most of us undergraduates, never got. So there will be many undergraduates who are not happy with the education they got but still remain here because of friends, costs, or just don't want to have to try to fit in again at another institution.

Listening to some of you graduate instructors telling her that she should not continue here is sad and just reaffirm reasons why many undergraduates are not for you guys getting raises. Can't blame her for being frustrated...

Really?

This information would of been better 3 years ago when I was applying old wise graduate student... Maybe you should work with the admissions people and show how U of Illinois TAs really are and how detrimental they are to the undergrads. The shiny marketing material Illinois sent me sure didn't have pictures some grad student who couldn't teach a fish to swim in it...

And you decided to spend 3

And you decided to spend 3 years in hell, wasting your money away?
Maybe picking a place to spend 4 years of your life requires more research...

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